Jeanine:  Hello and welcome to Empower World’s coaching and leadership podcast. Thank you for joining us today and we trust that you're doing the best that you can knowing that these are very challenging times. In fact, we hope that you're doing more than okay as you navigate your way through. Today in this podcast, we’d like to introduce you to a podcast that we actually did with Ginger Camel. The fantastic Ginger camel team led by Stefan Lindberg-Jones. And in this particular podcast they've interviewed both Marie and myself, Jeanine, to find out from our perspective what is coaching, why we're passionate about coaching, how did we get into it and so much more so. So, we hope that you enjoy this particular episode. And we'd love to hear your feedback. Please do leave your thoughts and comments wherever you can on our social media pages we'd appreciate that. Thank you. Enjoy.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones We've got two fantastic guests who we've known for years. They are Jeanine Bailey, and Marie Quigley, hello.

Marie: Hello, thank you for having us.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones:  It's good to see you guys. It's been a long time.

Jeanine: It has it's wonderful to be back here as well and see the new space and see how you've grown, it's wonderful. Yeah it really is amazing and I'm very proud of you and the whole team, so yeah.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones:  Thanks very much.

Marie: Thank you.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones: So rather than me give an intro why don't you, one of you kind of introduce yourselves and give us a brief insight into who you are and what you do.

Jeanine: Do you want to start Marie?

Marie: Okay! Thank you for putting me on the spot Jeanine! Together we are Empower World. We are both master certified coaches with the International Coaches Federation. What does that mean? That means we've worked thousands of hours with thousands of people to become, I would say, at the top of our game in regards to credentialing in the world of professional coaching. It's very important to us to be credentialed and when we met eight years ago, we both discovered we had a passion for the work we do, but not only, that teaching it to others so that we could kind of have a ripple effect on the world. And so, we set up Empower World to train other people to become professional certified coaches with an approved International Coaches Federation training program. And we started off very small and we have grown. We're currently have a coach training program on with 21 people in the program. And yeah, we're becoming more and more well-known for creating great experiential training that supports others to understand themselves and then take it out to the world and support that ripple effect to happen.

Jeanine: Wow. And if I could if I could add here.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones: Of course.

Jeanine: Yes. Thank you. I was lucky enough to come here with my husband 15 years ago, I think? And it was here in Doha that I discovered coaching, the profession of coaching and I had to go back to Australia to do my training because there was nothing like what we offer here in Qatar. And it was while I was doing my training in Australia, I just had this vision of creating a school in Qatar. And I didn't know how I was going to do it or what it would involve but that was that was just something I saw when I was doing my training because I was so in love with what this profession is, which is about supporting people to do to be their best self, to go outside of the comfort zone and dare to do those things that they really want, but perhaps a little fearful of doing or maybe a lot! But supporting people to really step into their power. So I was very lucky so I met Marie, actually it was probably about 10 years ago, through some work that we did with a huge organization here and it was through that work that we did together that we recognized actually, we want to do this together and create something really amazing and so I believe that's what we've done. According to the feedback that we get from the participants that come through our training so feeling very blessed to do this work with Marie and we're just, as Marie said, we’re doing a program at the moment. It's so diverse it's got so many different people from different cultures so Africa, America, Europe, Egypt. So just incredible. So, it's just bringing a whole lot of men and women together and they've got this united belief about changing themselves and changing the world. So, it's. Yes, magnificent work.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones: So big congrats to you guys.

Marie: Thank you.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones: You've been on the journey as well. So, you know what you've achieved. So, you guys are having 10-year anniversary this year.

Marie: It's really eight years since we set up Empower World but yeah. Ten years working together. Yes.

Marie: It's grown because as Stefan said you know we've been on the journey too. So initially we had this school for training the public but then people from organizations joined our programs and then invited us to come inside the organizations to create cultural change programs, leadership training's. And we do a lot of one to one executive coaching as well so yeah, it's a lot. And it's been quite a journey and there has been some amazing lessons along the way that we've learned and scuffed our knees and learned from them and moved on and created something even more.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones: I'm fascinated because you know when you guys first started coaching really wasn't really known. But now when you look around and you look at social media there's a lot in all walks of life. So, have you seen that change and how has that affected you guys?

Jeanine: Yeah. We have seen that change. And certainly, coaching outside of Qatar. So, for example, in the UK or Australia or Europe or America the profession of coaching was certainly much more ingrained than here. I mean when I when I first came here and started during the training, I could only connect with three other coaches, that's all. So, the four of us that's all we could find in Qatar and now, and Marie will probably know better as she is the Director of Ethics at the Doha chapter of the International Coach Federation. There are so many more coaches in Qatar now and hopefully, thankfully through the work that we've done, there's certainly a lot more coaches here. And of course, you know there are many people coming across to Doha that have been trained as a coach as well. But I know we've certainly had an impact on the profession of coaching here.

Marie: Absolutely there are now 56 accredited coaches based here in Doha. So that's phenomenal in eight years.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones:  It's amazing. From four to eight years

Marie: It really is. Yeah. And we are really because there's so many people who can call themselves a coach. You can go online and you can do a two-hour program. And people think that they come off and people do call themselves a coach and there are some very talented people who are not credentialed. Absolutely not knocking those people and having a credential helps the profession grow and be respected like any profession. And that's why we're so passionate about supporting people to go through the journey of becoming credentialed, because it matters. There are ethics involved that's why I'm the director of ethics it's an important part of the work we do as coaches. So yes, it's.

Ann: Interesting. So how long is the course to become a Cool Coach?

Stefan Lindberg-Jones: An accredited.

Marie: Yeah. Great question. It can be how long is a piece of string. Because it depends on the coach itself. But say, you need to take a minimum, for ICF credentialing and their other credential bodies around the world. But the major one the global one is the International Coaches Federation and to become accredited that means associate certified coach. You are required to complete minimum 60 hours of Coach specific training you're required to have 10 mentor hours with a mentor coach that listens into your work and gives you feedback you're required to have 100 hours of coaching submit two recordings and sit a coach knowledge assessment. That whole process on average takes about a year to get to the first level of credentialing.

Ann: That is very good.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones:  So, I'm just curious. What's it been like for you guys from when you first started to where you are now as people what is the main thing that you've learned about yourselves.

Jeanine: Yeah Thank you so much Stefan. That's what I think you know where to start. Yes. There are so many there's so many levels. I think that we've experienced change certainly. Marie and I, as a partnership we have grown so much and we really have been on an incredible, incredible journey. I mean this this woman is it's like she's in my bones

Marie: I don't know if I like that.

Jeanine: That is a weird thing to say but you know there's hardly a day that goes by that we don't speak to one another not perhaps literally but a message of some sort. Yeah. Wherever. This is our life the work that we do we're so passionate about it what we do it's in our bones. And as a consequence of that being in our bones and because we have created this business together, I guess that's why Marie is also there too because it's a partnership. And yes, there have been ups and downs and challenges and we've had other things going on in our life. And so, it's been definitely an up and down journey.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones: And do you coach each other or do you have other external coaches because you know. Yeah. Okay you guys are coaches but who coaches you.

Marie: Well it's.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones: Because it’s always a developing process and you need to keep an eye on yourself.

Marie:  Yeah, yeah. It's a requirement actually by the global body that we do have this continual self-development and self-growth it's really important as a coach to do the work yourself. If you're not walking the talk then it makes no sense. Do we coach each other? I would say we ask tough questions to each other. So yes, in a way it's coaching but it's potentially not official coaching but we challenge each other all the time to look at different perspectives, to challenge our way of thinking. Yeah. To question what's going on for us.

Jeanine: And I think also listen. You know when those challenges come up as well, I think we're both here for one another. We'll listen to what each other is going through and I guess through that then asking those challenging questions to gain that other perspective that we haven't noticed yet and that that's what we do as coaches we're supporting people to gain another perspective of their situation so that they can create different choices, create different experiences. So yes, we both have our own external coaches and I believe informally we are often providing that coaching support to one another. So again, that's been powerful for both our partnership and for us as individuals. And of course, going back to your first question, Stefan, about the how have we changed. It's also about running a business as well.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones: This is it's your personal develop as well as running a business. There are two journeys.

Marie: Yeah, they've got alongside each other, Stefan, in many ways. You know when you start any relationship, business relationship, love relationship you know it's all joy and beautiful at the beginning.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones: Absolutely yeah, the honey moon period

Marie: And then you stop. Yeah. And of course, the other person can see the blind spots of the other person rather than ourselves. So.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones: And is a person willing to listen when they can see the blind spots because you know like in a marriage it's very hard sometimes to let that partner know that you're not doing it the right way or you need to change but they're not willing to listen.

Jeanine: Yeah yeah. And I think also at the beginning we're probably sort of tiptoeing around each other as well not wanting to hurt each other. But at the same time wanting to be heard but being mindful. So, I think initially it was much tougher to be able to support each other with those blind spots. But I really do believe that our partnership has really flourished and we're so much more able to be open with one another and share what's coming up. And believe that actually when we do that it you know it's like rebirthing new wonderful things happen. So yes, it was certainly challenging at the beginning but it and it will continue to be. If we didn't feel challenged, we wouldn't be growing and stretching and learning. So, we know that it's a good thing and it's about sort of breathing, deep breathing and looking at okay what's underneath this what's here for us that we can learn from to be able to be even more effective powerful loving whatever it may be.

Marie: Yeah. We’re two individuals in this partnership as well and in many ways were similar but in many ways were very different. So, it's combining those differences to make something that makes a difference. That's what we're trying to do. So, it's important for both of us to be individuals and we're both passionate about this So we both have visions. It's making sure that the vision is aligned with our values and what we what we truly want to create in the world. And that’s an interesting journey in itself.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones: Hmm. I'm just curious. You mentioned before about being accredited and not being accredited. How do you and as you said, there are good people that aren't accredited but what are your true feelings when you see someone that's doing very well but has no training but has probably read lots of books. Because now information is out there you know it's so easy to learn very quickly, audio books, videos etc. etc.

Ann: Yeah because I was you know if I was doing all this work and see someone popping up like a little mushroom and did not have been you know putting in all their hours and then you know hard then you know all the work and then just I would be a bit angry I think. But that is me.

Marie: Yeah well, we have a we have a mindset of abundance. So, there's plenty of room for everyone to do their stuff in the world. I think as professional coaches we want to ensure that coaching is being done rather than something else. So even in our training we get people who think they're coaches and then they come to our training and they think oh my goodness.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones: This is so much more.

Marie: So much more! A lot of people think coaching is giving advice and we don't give advice. We believe that the person has all of the answers inside of them and our job through highly trained skills is to support people to uncover those answers. So, if people are consulting or giving advice or doing training, it is not coaching and there is a huge misunderstanding about what coaching is, particularly in the Middle East region, because as you mentioned earlier Stefan, it is so new. So, we don't get angry. We just get curious knowing that there's enough room for everyone to be in the world. And the more accredited coaches that are out there we're going to change, we're going to make that absolutely shown through the work we do. Does that make sense?

Stefan Lindberg-Jones: Yeah Absolutely

Jeanine:  It is tricky because we are and we always say at the beginning of a coach training program that we run you know to the participants “if you if you haven't worked with a professional coach, if you haven't done certified or an approved program I should say rather than certified you haven't done an approved program that is recognized by the coaching bodies then you won't know what coaching is. It is an experience like no other experience”. So, and as Marie said people come to the training, they believe they're coaching. And again, I just heard it this weekend because this weekend our participants were getting their first taste of coaching one another and watching demonstrations of the trainers at the front of the room and all of a sudden they realized “Oh I thought I knew it but I don't”. And it's unlearning all of that Previous belief that actually coaching is about positive motivation or mentoring or giving advice. So, it's unlearning all of that old way that potentially a lot of us have learnt to support how we support people but that's not what we do. We support people to uncover their own truths, their own answers that are unique to them through asking questions because my idea of how someone can solve a problem or challenge or take advantage of an opportunity is going to be different from someone else so we as coaches, we take ourselves out of the client's world and let them discover their own world. They can find yeah.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones: Welcome back. So that leads me on to what kind of people are attracted to come on your courses? Are they trying to find answers within themselves? Or are they just on a personal journey? Or do they see themselves going on to be coaches? Or the ones that are on that personal journey, do they then go on to be coaches? You must see all walks of different types of characters that come in.

Jeanine: We do we do.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones: And why. And all right let's. And before that what attracted you, were you on a personal journey or were you on “Oh this could be a good career for me”?

Jeanine: Mm hmm mm hmm. So, let’s do the before.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones: Let's do the before. How did you two get to it.

Marie: So, if I start. I had a job that took me to Asia that I was setting up, supporting setting up organizations throughout Asia and a lot of the role was supporting people to grow themselves. So, I had a passion for that, asking questions, getting curious about people. And it's kind of innate within me of us even take a step back. I trained as a graphic designer that's how I trained and I worked in advertising and I discovered I had this ability to allow people to create their ideas for themselves through a form of asking questions and listening. So, it's, I believed it was a strength of mine but I hadn't really heard of the word ‘coaching’. This is what long long time ago maybe went for when coaching first you know raised its head in the world. And then I had my first daughter. So, I left that fantastic job in Asia and I had my first daughter and I thought “What can I do that will allow me to still support people to learn and grow?”. And this new thing called ‘Coaching’ came into my world and it was, a lot of people misunderstood it, I remember telling my sister you know it's something I'm interested in she said “What do you mean you're going to help people sort their wardrobes out?”.

Ann: That’s so funny. But why wardrobes that’s so weird!

Marie: Well I think there was a lot of people you know helping people “fix things”. And there's still that misconception that coaches help people fix things and we don't. And when I looked into it because I wanted to do it properly and take an accredited program but I realized when I was on the program, the most important thing I was there for was my own self-development. So, I didn't have a definite plan that this is something I was going to be in the world. But I knew I wanted to understand myself better and so therefore really have an effect on my little family, my little world which was my family at the time. And that's why I started.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones: Great Wow. Yeah. Jeanine?

Jeanine: Yes, so when I came here to the Middle East with my husband which was my idea that he that he'd get a job with Al Jazeera. And my perspective was I was going to reinvent myself because I worked in the finance industry and the recruitment industry and I just felt like I was meant to do something more. I was meant to do something that supported and empowered people. I didn't but I didn't like Marie, I didn't know what that meant and what that looked like. But I just knew I was meant to support people that was the calling and so I did move here to Qatar to become an artist because there is another part of me that wanted to get back into that creative side. But I got contacted by a friend of mine and she was training to be a coach and she said to me Janine I need a guinea pig. I need someone to practice on to do my coaching. I'm doing this great course about coaching and she said could I coach you? And I said sure. I was newly married, I just moved to Qatar. I was really enjoying this new freedom that I had to uncover what was important to me and I said yes I'd love to be coached but I said “Look I have no problems. I have no issues but I still don't know what I want to do when I grow up. I still don't know what I want to do”. So, she took me on an incredible journey of self-discovery and I loved the journey with her. She was a friend that I trusted and she said to me she said “look I'm going to take my coaching hat off because as a coach I don't give advice. But as your friend I believe this is what you should be doing”. And I thought “oh gosh it does tick some boxes here. It's about supporting people it's about getting to know people it's about”. And I knew I was a good listener I knew I'd attracted people all the time with their problems and issues and challenges. And again, that's not what we potentially support people with. But we do as well. So, I thought “right I'm going to Australia to do this training”. I went there and I was still not sure if it was really for me and I didn't know whether I'd be a coach. But again, like Marie, it was such an eye-opening journey of self-discovery and also just learning these skills to be able to support others to do the same. So, when I finished my training, I knew that I wanted to set up as a coach and start this school, I’ve got inverted commas here, in Qatar. But again, the things that we learn through the training we learn that there's so much more to learn. It's like a continuous door that keeps opening about new ways of being and doing and also supporting people and having new experiences it's just it's just a never-ending journey of growth and learning so. But that's my beginning.

Ann: But I get so curious because before you told us that you got this vision in Australia when you when you did your course what would happen would you like to tell us? I'm so curious.

Jeanine: It's quite interesting I shared this vision in my training at my school and because I wanted, I was volunteering to be coached and I had to share with the trainer at the time you know what it was that I, what I what was coming up. And I share that I had this vision to create a school not in Australia but in Qatar. And she said oh that's not a good enough thing to work on.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones: No Really.

Ann: No

Jeanine: Now it might have been seen as competition or she might have been challenging me and I like a challenge. I do like a challenge. If someone says Jeanine you can’t do that I think right. Okay I’ll show you. So, I just I came to just came back to Qatar I didn't know how it was going to start and then I was invited by a friend of mine to do some training in the Qatar Foundation, to train some coaches with another coach. This was before I met Marie with another coach who she and I also started a partnership. And unfortunately, she had to go back to the UK as she had family reasons to go back there for. So, we did a training for 50 coachees oh sorry 50 potential new coaches and that was such an amazing experience. I mean it really took me out of my comfort zone but it was such a brilliant experience. I thought “Ahh maybe we can do this differently. I don’t have to get a school you know a building. We can do this training in hotels for example”. So, my previous business partner and I ran another two public coach training's and then after she left it was “where do I take this now?”. And that's when Marie and I started to work with a big corporate here on executive coaching program a large executive coaching program. And then we started to speak and we knew that we shared very similar values and ideas and we thought let's do this together. So that's what we started to do, we started to offer it in hotels offering it to the public and now we've done in-house coach training programs as well. So yeah.

Marie That's a great question because visioning you know getting clear about what you want is so important. And most people don't know what they want. Most people know what they don't want.

Ann: Exactly.

Marie: So, you ask a question what do you want Ann? And you say “well I'm not sure”.

Ann: No, I'm not sure but I don't want to do that. You know you need to be positive.

Marie: And that's a great motivating factor actually not to know something you know like Hallas. Let's move on. And coaches support you to get clear about what you do want. So, you can see, so you can feel it, so you can taste it, smell it. So, then the more you do that work the more it becomes alive and you create what you want.

Jeanine: Yeah, I think that's a really good point, Marie, it is about having an idea and focusing on that idea. You might not specifically know how that's going to show up but being focused on it could show up in another way like that coach training that we did for the Qatar Foundation and Yeah letting go of perhaps preconceived ideas as again as Marie said letting go of not knowing but still having some sort of vision in mind and focusing on that, which I trust that you've both, I know that you've both done particularly with Ginger Camel yeah

Marie: Reminds me of Walt Disney when he said I don't know what it is that I'm going to create but it's out there and it's bright and sparkly and it's just going to evolve. And that sometimes is the way it happened.

Ann: I love that

Jeanine We've created our Disneyland

Ann: Oh yeah that's so wonderful. Yeah.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones: And it must be rewarding when you see, going back to my question of students that come through the door and they're on their different journeys to actually see it from the beginning through to the end.

Marie: Yeah. You asked about that. You know what do people come for? You know they come for all of the reasons you suggested personal growth. Some people think I am going to be a coach and they don't really know what coaching is. Some people say a lot of people in Qatar say I want to bring this back into my organization to create change which is fantastic for us to know that people are creating a ripple effect in organizations because that's where it's so badly needed a lot of the time. And when they walk in the room and see these semicircular chairs around and they realize very shortly after sitting with us that this work is all about us first, no matter what you've come for it's all about you. Then it becomes profound. Then it becomes really important work.

Jeanine: And again, people do come in for different reasons and those reasons can change along the way. So, I had one of the ladies fed back to me last night that she came in not really knowing what she was going to do with this but was recommended to do it. And I think the first three days she was going on a very deep personal journey. And then yesterday after experiencing coaching for herself and also coaching someone else I mean she was dancing at the end of the day saying I'm going to be the next I'm going to be a coach and I'm going to be the next Oprah.

Ann: That's so sweet.

Jeanine: Yeah it was. So, people do go on this personal journey. They peel back the layers and they start to uncover what's important to them and what they really want to do. And there are other people who just go on this personal development journey. They potentially don't become certified as a coach but they'll take the skills into their family life. They'll take the skills into their workplace. They potentially don't have any formal coaching conversations but they use the skills of powerful communication that listening, building trust asking powerful questions. So, we get a lot of feedback from people who don't go on the journey of getting credentialed but they have feedback to us that these skills have changed our lives so. So, it's an incredible journey no matter whether you whether people join for personal reasons or whether they want to become a professional coach or a leader that coaches.

Marie: Warren Buffett said was asked what's the best investment you've ever made. And he said the best investment I ever made was on a personal transformational journey for myself. And that's how we see it. Certainly, the investment I’ve given myself was the best thing I ever did. And that's what participants come out of our training saying.

Jeanine: And that reminds me my husband is from Northern England where he says you know we worry about money. We worry about spending money. And I would you know do a course and then there'd be another amazing course of you know a journey of self-development and improving my skills and I'd go to my husband Richard and say this is what I'm investing and it’s like “ohhh…”. And then I’ll go back to him and he'll say “yes it was so it was so worth it”. It creates you know the abundance.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones: That leads on to my next question. How has that journey been for your family? Because they're the closest ones.

Ann:  Yes. They are also Guinea pigs.

Marie: Yeah.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones: I mean see the change as well. So, was it hard at the beginning when they when you were on this journey?

Marie: I remember coming off my I was in Dubai when I did my training and I came off the first weekend and we went to a barbecue and I could hear our friends, male friends, talking to Michael my husband, and saying because I’ve been telling people about coaching maybe a bit evangelical about it I had to calm down because not everybody wants to hear about. But they said to him “What do you think about Marie doing this You know personal development program?” I heard overheard Michael say “I’ve no idea what it's about but all I know is Marie's in a vortex and she's at the front and she's sweeping us, the kids and me up and it feels fantastic. But we really don't know what it's about”.

Ann: So sweet.

Marie: So fast forward 10 years later my kids will say “mom don't coach me” when I can ask a question. And I believe it's I really believe it's supported them all to look at different perspective to question themselves to look at what they want. I know my husband will come back from meeting a group of friends and say you know somebody is struggling at the moment and I ask questions that I never thought of asking before. So do think it's impacted them even though I'm sure they don't like some of the questions I ask them.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones: But do you feel it changed the way you were a mom as well.

Marie: Oh yeah absolutely. Yeah absolutely. I believe as we do as coaches that everybody is naturally creative resourceful and whole. And that includes my children. And if they're able, of course children need guidance in some parts of their life. But by questioning within them they can start to discover what they want as well. So, they will face challenges I know that but if they look inside, they'll find the answer to those challenges. Doesn’t stop me worrying sometimes so I'm a real human being as well as there's this stuff that comes in and catches me as it does us all. And then I learned to quieten down and practice what I believe in.

Jeanine: Yes. So, I'm thinking back and I know that when I first came back to Qatar after training in Australia, I was so enthusiastic and so wanted to practice my skills. And so, Richard did get that a little bit of a taster at the beginning and also wanted to resist as well. The beautiful part was actually he, but he was listening to what I was sharing with him about what I was learning. I didn't realize it until we would go out and see friends when we'd go back to the UK and see the family. And he was like my sales person without me asking him to do that when anyone would ask me about coaching, He would come in and answer the questions for me because he picked up so much and learned so much and so. And when I was going for my master's certification as a coach, he said to me “Look Jeanine I'm happy to support you on that journey. You know I'm happy for you to record coaching sessions with me”. So. So it's really opened up. I know it's opened up his heart and mind and soul I believe. He potentially perhaps, will like Marie says, when he hears those coaching questions in a conversation it'll be a bit of resistance but I also don't try and push that on him either as much as I can. I don't want to I don't want to push him away by being the coach versus his wife and the other thing that I really appreciated that Richard did was he was working here in Al Jazeera but for him being a journalist was not for him or producer it's the sports area. It was not for him and he one day announced to his family he said “actually I'm going to quit because I know it's not for me I know it's not my, He believes not his strengths, and I want to do something like Jeanine as in not be a coach but I want to follow my heart and my passion and do what I know is for me. This is not something that's taking away from that”. So, I'm so proud of him that he that he did that that he took action to follow his dreams and his heart. And I guess the other thing that I would say is that Richard and I are very opposite. Very very opposite. I'm driven and I'm about making things happen. And my husband is very laid back and I would say if I didn't go on this journey I don't know where we'd be, but going on this journey has really supported, I believe, both of us to have this beautiful connection and yes of course there's ups and downs but I believe we work through the things that come up because of this this love and this connection that I have with my husband and you know he's living away from his family which is hard for him but he's living in Australia versus the UK. But I believe that through the journey that we've both been on as a consequence of discovering coaching and everything that it opens up for us that that work together and strong.

Ann: Beautiful.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones: Very nice.

Jeanine: Thank you.

Ann: OH love.

Jeanine: It's a beautiful thing.

Ann: Its beautiful thing.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones: So, we're coming to the end. So, what's coming up in the future for you guys?

Marie: Well there's a bright sparkly thing out there. We don't know what it looks like but it's evolving. So, we know change is coming. And what we tend to do is every year look at what is our vision moving forward. We want to practice what we preach. We also want to see the reality because one thing I want to, because it sounds like coaching can be all positive. But what coaches look at the reality and what challenges are coming up and also things that are stopping us from creating what we want. So, we've taken a good look at where we are now and looked at where potentially we'd like to be. And so, it's, we know it's, we're moving some of our programs to online programs that's going to be something new for us. So, we're really excited about that. We have an advanced coach training program that supports people to go even deeper on things like values and purpose and mission and really start to get them to know themselves, their internal leader, in a much more powerful way. So, we've recognized weakens because we can spread this word even bigger so we're testing out the market of moving this program in particular online. So that's an exciting project for us. We have two amazing trainers that we work with who are also going to be part of that project. So that's one definite that we know.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones: Very nice.

Jeanine: Yeah. So, we've got our next coach training program starting up in March and we also have some other online programs for coaches. So that's around again the certification of coaching of coaches which is the mentoring part which Marie mentioned earlier. And we've got some alumni events coming up so you know we're very passionate about supporting the community of coaches that is growing. So that's coming up in the end of February.

Marie: We're also certified coach supervisors. So, you know how you asked us “Do you have a coach?” Well it's kind of different to having your own coach. It's a space for coaches to have professional development on the work they do rather than themselves. So, we're both certified in coaching supervision. It's kind of a new thing in coaching but in the world of psychology, clinical psychology, everybody has to have a supervisor that supports them. It's a place of restoration nurturing and also development. So were both certified in that, as I said, so we intend to do more of that for coaches to support the nurturing of them and their own personal growth.

Jeanine: Yeah. So as Mary said that we know that some sort of changes is out there and again it's about listening to perhaps what's coming up for you know the desires and the wants and the dreams but also perhaps the potential fears that are bubbling there too. Because we know that we've created something amazing and beautiful and so it's about nurturing that but also looking at other possibilities that we can move into to continue that growth and spreading of what we do.

Marie: Yeah. And so, we've listened to our people. We ask them what do you want. Yeah. And so, we create what they're looking for to enable them to grow even more.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones: Great. And how can people get hold of you because you have your own podcast as well which is great. So, let everyone know how they can find you hear more about you.

Jeanine: Yes. And we think Ginger camel for supporting us to actually get that podcast running. We potentially wouldn't have done that at all except for your invitation Stefan. So, thank you.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones: Pleasure

Jeanine: And we love doing it. We really love doing it. We get great feedback from around the world.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones: Was that the same when you first started? Did you still love doing it?

Jeanine: We do.

Marie: We like we love talking about it. We didn’t know that anybody listen to and even now I sometimes think “Does anybody listen to this?”. And then you'll get a piece of feedback then think “oh my goodness this matters”

Stefan Lindberg-Jones: Absolutely.

Marie: And so, it spurs you want to continue again. So yeah, we've got the podcast you can find it on iTunes, Stitcher, and there is another place which I always forget.

Jeanine: Maybe our website is called Empower World: The Coaching and Leadership Podcast.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones: Great.

Jeanine: And our website is www.empower-world.com. We’re on social media, all forms of social media.

Marie: Instagram Facebook Twitter.

Jeanine: I think well LinkedIn. I don't know about Twitter actually. No, I never I never look at Twitter. So, our business manager might be kindly looking after that for us but so are we. We create our posts and we've got an amazing business manager that sorts out the social media. We're definitely on those three things. Instagram Facebook and LinkedIn. We'll look at those three. Yeah

Ann: Nice. I feel so empowered. I feel it. No, I was really moved and touched and it was really cool. Thank you.

Jeanine: Thank you.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones: Thank you very much.

Marie: Most welcome.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones: All the best.

Jeanine: Thank you, both. For bringing the Qatar community together. The Doha community. Yeah. Well done

Marie: Yeah.

Stefan Lindberg-Jones: Same to u.

Marie:  Thank you.